The Stat M's FO seems to look as importent, RE24 and REW Options

[DrNaka]

There is no split of REW or RE24 home and away.
But I just found splits of Bay against Mariners and in Safeco which are in OPS 1.020 in 39AB and 0.710 in 22AB.

0.710 in Safeco is alarming but with only 22 AB the sample size will be to small to get any conclusion.

REW and RE24 suggest that Bay has no holes like Beltre and can be productive when it matters. So I don't think that Beltre and Bay are similar types.

[SABR Matt]

This is getting comedic. You can't use REW and WPA to diagnose whether a batter has holes in his game. You need to look at tools like the pitch-recognition stats that fangraphs provides.

For fun, though, a little comparison to Beltre:

First Bay (and keep in mind, only 1.5 seasons in Boston, the rest in Pittsburgh, which is a pitcher's park.

BABIP: .332
HR/FLy: 17%
GB/FB: 915/1090 (0.84)
LD%: 18.3%
Pitch Type Values: Positive on EVERY. SINGLE. PITCH. Dominant on fastballs
O-SW%: 19.4
Z-SW%: 63.7
O-CT%: 50.4
Z-CT%: 81.1

Now Beltre:

BABIP: .293 (uh oh!)
HR/Fly: 13.1% (uh oh!!)
GB/FB: 1.07 (oh dear!!)
LD%: 19.1
Pitch Type Values: Dominant on Fastballs and change-ups, TERRIBLE on sliders and curveballs (not shocking...not the same as Bay)
O-SW%: 30.1 (50% higher than Bay)
Z-SW%: 70.9 (still higher than Bay)
O-CT%: 59.1 (higher than Bay, which is bad)
Z-CT%: 86.7 (also higher than Bay, which is probably good)

Point being...Bay and Beltre are **************************NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*****************************

alike.

Nothing at all.

[Pirata Morado]

This is getting comedic. You can't use REW and WPA to diagnose whether a batter has holes in his game. You need to look at tools like the pitch-recognition stats that fangraphs provides.

For fun, though, a little comparison to Beltre:

First Bay (and keep in mind, only 1.5 seasons in Boston, the rest in Pittsburgh, which is a pitcher's park.

BABIP: .332
HR/FLy: 17%
GB/FB: 915/1090 (0.84)
LD%: 18.3%
Pitch Type Values: Positive on EVERY. SINGLE. PITCH. Dominant on fastballs
O-SW%: 19.4
Z-SW%: 63.7
O-CT%: 50.4
Z-CT%: 81.1

Now Beltre:

BABIP: .293 (uh oh!)
HR/Fly: 13.1% (uh oh!!)
GB/FB: 1.07 (oh dear!!)
LD%: 19.1
Pitch Type Values: Dominant on Fastballs and change-ups, TERRIBLE on sliders and curveballs (not shocking...not the same as Bay)
O-SW%: 30.1 (50% higher than Bay)
Z-SW%: 70.9 (still higher than Bay)
O-CT%: 59.1 (higher than Bay, which is bad)
Z-CT%: 86.7 (also higher than Bay, which is probably good)

Point being...Bay and Beltre are **************************NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*****************************

alike.

Nothing at all.

Also proved by RE24, REW, WPA, etc.

[DrNaka]

Also proved by RE24, REW, WPA, etc.

Yes and .

Baseball has opponents who are not dump.
They know exactly what to do in high LI and feed Beltre with sliders and curves.
Which results in lower RE24, REW, WPA relative to his OPS, OPS+, RC27 etc.

[Lonnie]

First Bay (and keep in mind, only 1.5 seasons in Boston, the rest in Pittsburgh, which is a pitcher's park.

PNC is dead neutral.

Lonnie

[SABR Matt]

By NL standards PNC is dead neutral. THe average AL park is more hitter friendly than the average NL park by my matrix calculations.