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Is Baseball Broken?


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gowazzu02

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This may turn out to be a long winded rant so I apologize upfront.  Ill try to space out my points in some coherent fashion.  But this off season has me really questioning baseballs model.

 

First of all the fact that the yankees were able to get Stanton a top 5 offensive player in the game for salary relief and the stuff that falls out of your toaster when you shake it upside down is really really REALLY maddening. 

 

Second,  the constipation of the FA market is really hard to figure out.  Are we really going to go into the season with Darvish, Martinez, Hosmer, Moustakis, Lynn, etc. etc. etc. all still on the market?  WTF It's not like teams couldn't need those players it seems the small payroll orgs know they can't compete and are saying "why bother".  

 

Lack of competative balance,  It seems that for all intent and purpose there are about 5 or 6 teams that have any shot at winning the WS this year. Dodgers, Yankees, Red sox, Houson, Cubs, Stl, Washington.  All big market teams.

 

Big Market teams playing small market ball.  We've known forever thta small market teams can't keep their players,  they can't play in FA,  now they can't even swap their players for young talent.  The trades we've seen have proven that the big market teams dont even have to give quality prospects away to get stud talent in return.  Stanton trade, Cole trade being the two most egregious.

 

Draft-  It's ticked me off for years that big market teams can get bargains late because theyre willing to spend the money to get the "signing risk"  It seems counter productive.  The top incoming talent should go to the teams that need it the most,  yet thats not the case.

 

Add all that stuff to what we've known for years,  no cap lets the yankees, red sox, angels, dodgers of the world just out spend their mistakes.  We are seeing what a bad contract does to a team with Felix.  But the yankees can just take the Ellsbury contract on the chin with no effect.

 

 

Basically all but 4 or 5 franchises are playing the game with one hand tied behind their back already and the recent development is tieing their other hand back too.

rant over

 

TL:DR=Baseballs broken


Edited by gowazzu02, 26 January 2018 - 12:06 PM.

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Cubs and Houston dogged it on purpose for years, now look: World Series.

This is what concerns me about Seattle, not good enough to win, not bad enough to stock draft picks. Now if they traded all these contracts and fell to the cellar for five years...
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Cubs and Houston dogged it on purpose for years, now look: World Series.

This is what concerns me about Seattle, not good enough to win, not bad enough to stock draft picks. Now if they traded all these contracts and fell to the cellar for five years...

What?  Didn't we dwell in the cellars for many years?   All I recall is that it's been 17 years without playoffs, isn't that enough?


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Seattle Mariners, playing lousy baseball for 16 years in a row (and counting)...


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Finishing 80-82 every year, my point, what's the difference between that and 60-102 ?

Boras mentioned that there is collusion among the big market teams towards high dollar free agents. Sure, Scott wants to get paid but can you fault owner's for being Leary of older free agents, who want multi year deals? Millionaires vs billionaires.

The M's will have to deal with their own mess soon enough. Why not now? Do it the NE Patriots way. Sell high.
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Mariner Central Adopt-A-Players: 

Tom Wilhelmsen ~ Minor League deal w/ Padres & Invite to ML ST

Zunino ~ w/ the big club

DJ Peterson ~ w/ the AAA Charlotte Knights of the CHI AL system

 Luis Liberato ~ Modesto Nuts -  68 games at Modesto in 2017: 257 ab, 41 r, 66 h, 11 2b, 5 3b, 8 hr.

Wyatt Mills ~ Everett & Clinton in 2017. 58/4 K/BB (2 IBB) Senior year w/ Zagshttps://cdn.vox-cdn....Gonzaga_1.0.jpg  <p>http://m.milb.com/player/670090

Victor Sanchez ~ RIP
Greg Halman ~ RIP  

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Like Octobre said, there's a difference between being in the cellar -- the worst team in the league who collects several can't-miss draft picks -- and a bad, but not horrible team. The Mariners have mostly been the latter.

Granted, however, there was a point where they were coming off having had been in the cellar with the collection of top, top prospects, but they traded away the successes for essentially nothing and broke all of the ones they kept.

Morrow, Ackley, Smoak, Montero, Clement, Balentien, Lopez, Betancourt, Franklin, Choo, Asdrubal, and Jones. Every single one of these was Top-50 and many were Top-25 or even Top-10 prospects with the Mariners. Not one of them gave the Mariners any significant long term value (in trade or MLB production).

Some had success with the majors, but suddenly lost "it" (Ackley, Clement, Montero and Lopez) -- likely because of bad coaching. Some were traded away in some of the most one-sided trades of this generation (Choo and Jones). Some showed great teachability, but kept getting yanked around in 50 directions and so could never find themselves (Morrow, Balentien). Some just... Never showed what most thought they could (Betancourt, Smoak). And this list doesn't even tap into the injury bug (RIP Danny Hultzen's rotator cuff).

That's a huge part of the problem as well, sadly. It's one of the more epic tales in sports of how a franchise just missed on every single thing... And now we're completely out of singular people to blame. Even the HEAD TRAINER (who had been around since before Woody Williams!) is out of the picture.
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AAPs:

Kyle Lewis

The M's 2016 first round pick and the 11th Overall is the system's top prospect and has several accolades to his name.  Even though he is currently out of commission recovering from injury, he still has a whole bunch of potential.

Mike Ford

This Rule 5-acquired first baseman just might be the M's best player at the position.  I'm betting on it!  He's never walked less than he's K'd and he just flashed some serious power in his first taste of AAA.  He just needed a position and there happens to be one available in the Emerald City.

 

 

Gone, but not forgotten AAPs:
Nick Franklin

Brad Miller

Roenis Elias

Joe Wieland

'Boog' Powell

 

So long, fellas.  I hope that all of you do well in your future endeavors.  Perhaps you can tap into the potential seen in the M's system and have success elsewhere in the baseball world.  Just... not against the M's, OK?


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But the example of the Astros, Cubs, and even Nationals are fundamental to understanding that baseball has indeed been to change to be more equal. All of them had to collect prospects to be where they are now. Heck; even the Yankees, Angels and the Dodgers very recently have had to inject a lot of homegrown youth. They would all be nothing without their still-in-Arbitration-years superstars.

There has been a lot in the last few years to get closer to competitive balance. Your example of the Draft has actually been fixed. Kids can now only sign bonuses by draft slot. No more can teams wait until the 3rd round and give a mega-bonus to a soft-commit. The unmentioned international pool is also fixed -- to the point where the biggest international star in several years was legitimately forced to choose where to sign based on everything EXCEPT money. No Yankees or Red Sox could sneak in and bid double everyone else just to scoop him up *cough >Matsuzaka!< cough*.

There are still problems, for sure. The tax soft cap is not optimal and more needs to be done about salary balancing. Many talk about a salary FLOOR being added as the best next step because the top salary teams actually do have to be creative, a la the Dodgers-Braves, Gonzalez-Kemp trade. The Marlins, however, are still allowed to fire sale while hiking up ticket and concession prices.

On the Marlins, there really was a lot more at play that just wasn't right, either. The reason for this fire sale is apparently that the new ownership inherited the old group's debt and are under pressure to alleviate it ASAP. It was known that Stanton "needed" to be traded, but he used his power to nix two far more balanced trades (Giants and Cardinals) because he wanted to stay in the East coast. And thus, it just fell into the Yankees laps. It sucks when that happens for a different team...
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AAPs:

Kyle Lewis

The M's 2016 first round pick and the 11th Overall is the system's top prospect and has several accolades to his name.  Even though he is currently out of commission recovering from injury, he still has a whole bunch of potential.

Mike Ford

This Rule 5-acquired first baseman just might be the M's best player at the position.  I'm betting on it!  He's never walked less than he's K'd and he just flashed some serious power in his first taste of AAA.  He just needed a position and there happens to be one available in the Emerald City.

 

 

Gone, but not forgotten AAPs:
Nick Franklin

Brad Miller

Roenis Elias

Joe Wieland

'Boog' Powell

 

So long, fellas.  I hope that all of you do well in your future endeavors.  Perhaps you can tap into the potential seen in the M's system and have success elsewhere in the baseball world.  Just... not against the M's, OK?


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The Yankees have Stanton and Judge? fie.gif frusty.gif smileygaah.gif 

OK, I've been ignoring baseball all winter. Everyone is complaining that teams are not interested in signing FA's anymore. I know EXACTLY why that is (see sentence one). Baseball has now reached the point where most organizations believe they have no chance, so why try?


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JD Martinez to Bo Sox
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Mariner Central Adopt-A-Players: 

Tom Wilhelmsen ~ Minor League deal w/ Padres & Invite to ML ST

Zunino ~ w/ the big club

DJ Peterson ~ w/ the AAA Charlotte Knights of the CHI AL system

 Luis Liberato ~ Modesto Nuts -  68 games at Modesto in 2017: 257 ab, 41 r, 66 h, 11 2b, 5 3b, 8 hr.

Wyatt Mills ~ Everett & Clinton in 2017. 58/4 K/BB (2 IBB) Senior year w/ Zagshttps://cdn.vox-cdn....Gonzaga_1.0.jpg  <p>http://m.milb.com/player/670090

Victor Sanchez ~ RIP
Greg Halman ~ RIP  




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